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		<title>By: Philip Thrift</title>
		<link>http://readwritepoem.org/blog/2008/11/26/get-the-lead-out-its-noting-really-whats-up-with-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3218</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this brief discussion, I wrote this post

&lt;a href=&quot;http://poeticalbits.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-turn-your-poem-into-alien.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why turn your poem into an alien?&lt;/a&gt;

for poems that sit in blogs, and provides a choice for poets who might worry about a word or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this brief discussion, I wrote this post</p>
<p><a href="http://poeticalbits.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-turn-your-poem-into-alien.html" rel="nofollow">Why turn your poem into an alien?</a></p>
<p>for poems that sit in blogs, and provides a choice for poets who might worry about a word or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rob - Regardless of one&#039;s beliefs about the appropriateness of using less common words in poetry, I think it&#039;s fairly axiomatic that anyone who calls herself a poet or writer has a duty to learn as many words as possible. My own (unattainable) goal is to use the one best word for every situation. This will sometimes turn out to be a very uncommon word indeed, whose obscurity can lend an aura of mystery to the surrounding passage. I personally like to be challenged when I read, so of course I try to write that kind of poem. I&#039;m not interested in attracting or retaining a readership with a low tolerance for anything whose meaning is not immediately obvious. Billy Collins is quite welcome to that audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rob &#8211; Regardless of one&#8217;s beliefs about the appropriateness of using less common words in poetry, I think it&#8217;s fairly axiomatic that anyone who calls herself a poet or writer has a duty to learn as many words as possible. My own (unattainable) goal is to use the one best word for every situation. This will sometimes turn out to be a very uncommon word indeed, whose obscurity can lend an aura of mystery to the surrounding passage. I personally like to be challenged when I read, so of course I try to write that kind of poem. I&#8217;m not interested in attracting or retaining a readership with a low tolerance for anything whose meaning is not immediately obvious. Billy Collins is quite welcome to that audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thrift</title>
		<link>http://readwritepoem.org/blog/2008/11/26/get-the-lead-out-its-noting-really-whats-up-with-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not only &quot;obscure&quot; words/idioms that are double-edged swords. So are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.textetc.com/traditional/allusion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;allusions&lt;/a&gt;. Think of how many poems are filled with these!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not only &#8220;obscure&#8221; words/idioms that are double-edged swords. So are <a href="http://www.textetc.com/traditional/allusion.html" rel="nofollow">allusions</a>. Think of how many poems are filled with these!</p>
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		<title>By: rob kistner</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob kistner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...deb

I understand your perspective, and I too find words fascinating -- on a personal, private level.

I am an orator, and I find the sound of words spoken aloud, in a clear resonant voice, to be quite sensual.

Also, if I am writing a letter or an essay, I find the occasional &lt;i&gt;&#039;word less used&#039;&lt;/i&gt; can be engaging -- as it invites the reader to probe... further investing them in what I&#039;ve written.

But I, like Frost and Collins, prefer to make solid and immediate connection with my reader when writing poetry.  I don&#039;t want them scurrying to a dictionary to understand my meaning.  I believe you lose the impact of immediacy when you distract the reader with ambiguity in poetry.

But to each their own -- that&#039;s what makes the world a beautiful wonder.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;deb</p>
<p>I understand your perspective, and I too find words fascinating &#8212; on a personal, private level.</p>
<p>I am an orator, and I find the sound of words spoken aloud, in a clear resonant voice, to be quite sensual.</p>
<p>Also, if I am writing a letter or an essay, I find the occasional <i>&#8216;word less used&#8217;</i> can be engaging &#8212; as it invites the reader to probe&#8230; further investing them in what I&#8217;ve written.</p>
<p>But I, like Frost and Collins, prefer to make solid and immediate connection with my reader when writing poetry.  I don&#8217;t want them scurrying to a dictionary to understand my meaning.  I believe you lose the impact of immediacy when you distract the reader with ambiguity in poetry.</p>
<p>But to each their own &#8212; that&#8217;s what makes the world a beautiful wonder.  <img src='http://readwritepoem.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Thrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, poets are word-curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, poets are word-curious.</p>
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		<title>By: balanced on the edge &#187; Round-up of thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>balanced on the edge &#187; Round-up of thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have a post titled, &#8220;what&#8217;s up with words?&#8221; at Read Write Poem you might like, with some links to interesting sites about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a post titled, &#8220;what&#8217;s up with words?&#8221; at Read Write Poem you might like, with some links to interesting sites about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ...deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>...deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *love* finding &amp; looking up words I don&#039;t know. I may use them in a poem. I may not. But finding new words, or playing with favorite odd ones sends my mind &amp; emotions (&amp; sometimes my body) down new paths &amp; streams in new ways.

And that is what I need to do as a poet: explore.

If it is true that we think in words, then I want to expand my thinking, not reign it in. It may be that I come back around with an everyday word in my poem, but I betcha that traveling with an odd word will loosen new things in my brain, and in my writing.

I don&#039;t collect the words in one place. I tend to jot them down in whatever notebook I am carrying. They do tend to be from books I am reading. (Yay, Mark Doty!) I wish I were disciplined enough to have one spot, a little treasure chest, to place my word finds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *love* finding &amp; looking up words I don&#8217;t know. I may use them in a poem. I may not. But finding new words, or playing with favorite odd ones sends my mind &amp; emotions (&amp; sometimes my body) down new paths &amp; streams in new ways.</p>
<p>And that is what I need to do as a poet: explore.</p>
<p>If it is true that we think in words, then I want to expand my thinking, not reign it in. It may be that I come back around with an everyday word in my poem, but I betcha that traveling with an odd word will loosen new things in my brain, and in my writing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t collect the words in one place. I tend to jot them down in whatever notebook I am carrying. They do tend to be from books I am reading. (Yay, Mark Doty!) I wish I were disciplined enough to have one spot, a little treasure chest, to place my word finds.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Donald. I like &#039;cocksure,&#039; of the ones you listed.

Rob, what I am talking about in the post is the idea of paying attention to words, not trying to find the most esoteric ones. Although an odd word might be just the one I need.

Good one, Phillip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Donald. I like &#8216;cocksure,&#8217; of the ones you listed.</p>
<p>Rob, what I am talking about in the post is the idea of paying attention to words, not trying to find the most esoteric ones. Although an odd word might be just the one I need.</p>
<p>Good one, Phillip!</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Thrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, avoid sesquipedalianism.
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, avoid sesquipedalianism. <img src='http://readwritepoem.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rob kistner</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob kistner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While playing with esoteric words may be intellectually interesting, here is a case for simple words, made by two well respected poets.

Robert Frost said about writing poetry, “I prefer words that are plain, the language of our every day life, as simple as I am able to make it.”

Billy Collins, a recent two-term U.S. Poet Laureate, said in an interview with Poetry magazine, ”I use language that is simple, understandable – the language of ordinary life.  I avoid the obscure word – it makes poetry pretentious and inaccessible.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While playing with esoteric words may be intellectually interesting, here is a case for simple words, made by two well respected poets.</p>
<p>Robert Frost said about writing poetry, “I prefer words that are plain, the language of our every day life, as simple as I am able to make it.”</p>
<p>Billy Collins, a recent two-term U.S. Poet Laureate, said in an interview with Poetry magazine, ”I use language that is simple, understandable – the language of ordinary life.  I avoid the obscure word – it makes poetry pretentious and inaccessible.”</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Harbour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Harbour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also keep a notebook of words. Try these on Christine.

trumpery, lugubrious, panegyric, glower, cocksure

Happy T&#039;giving,
Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also keep a notebook of words. Try these on Christine.</p>
<p>trumpery, lugubrious, panegyric, glower, cocksure</p>
<p>Happy T&#8217;giving,<br />
Don</p>
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