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	<title>Comments on: poll &#8220;dance&#8221;: are you the temperamental artist-type?</title>
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	<description>because poem is an action</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carolee</title>
		<link>http://readwritepoem.org/2008/02/12/poll-dance-are-you-the-temperamental-artist-type/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>carolee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like your mention, christine, that we may check different boxes on different days. today, for example, i might check the "on a rampage" box. emotionally raw doesn't even begin to describe it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like your mention, christine, that we may check different boxes on different days. today, for example, i might check the &#8220;on a rampage&#8221; box. emotionally raw doesn&#8217;t even begin to describe it. <img src='http://readwritepoem.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't remember all the traits I checked on the poll, but I know intelligent wasn't first. Dave brings out a good point, though.

It takes intelligence to realize that anything workwhile involves a lot of effort, desire, perseverence. Mechanics and poets are people who apply their intelligence toward producing  palpable evidence of their intelligence. Maybe poets care more about who acknowledges their results, although I'm not sure. 

For me, I know I'm sensitive. Thin boundaries, some people call it. At times I'm emotionally raw, but I didn't check that one on the day I took the poll. Guess I was on top of my game that day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember all the traits I checked on the poll, but I know intelligent wasn&#8217;t first. Dave brings out a good point, though.</p>
<p>It takes intelligence to realize that anything workwhile involves a lot of effort, desire, perseverence. Mechanics and poets are people who apply their intelligence toward producing  palpable evidence of their intelligence. Maybe poets care more about who acknowledges their results, although I&#8217;m not sure. </p>
<p>For me, I know I&#8217;m sensitive. Thin boundaries, some people call it. At times I&#8217;m emotionally raw, but I didn&#8217;t check that one on the day I took the poll. Guess I was on top of my game that day!</p>
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		<title>By: ...deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>...deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is funny that so many of us said, yeah, I'm intelligent, no matter the metric of that measure. (Good discussion, though.)

I was suprised by how many are introverted. Is that a measure of the internet community or is it poetics? I was also suprised by how many chose "gifted". Is that a balance to how few said elitist? There were more votes (one!) for gifted than hard-working. (Though both ranked pretty high.)

Since we could vote for as many as we liked, it's conceivable that some voted for both. I like that idea.

(Full disclosure: I'm extoverted &#038; hardworking, not gifted.  :-)   Oh, and yes, I do think I am intelligent. I think I would qualify that, if I could, as being a curious reader.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is funny that so many of us said, yeah, I&#8217;m intelligent, no matter the metric of that measure. (Good discussion, though.)</p>
<p>I was suprised by how many are introverted. Is that a measure of the internet community or is it poetics? I was also suprised by how many chose &#8220;gifted&#8221;. Is that a balance to how few said elitist? There were more votes (one!) for gifted than hard-working. (Though both ranked pretty high.)</p>
<p>Since we could vote for as many as we liked, it&#8217;s conceivable that some voted for both. I like that idea.</p>
<p>(Full disclosure: I&#8217;m extoverted &#038; hardworking, not gifted.  <img src='http://readwritepoem.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Oh, and yes, I do think I am intelligent. I think I would qualify that, if I could, as being a curious reader.)</p>
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		<title>By: jillypoet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jillypoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think my husband thinks of me as emotionally raw.  he calls it sensitive, with a sneer, i might add.  although i've pretty well erased the sneer from his face!  

i'm surprised more of us aren't unpredictable.  i think i am.  at least, i can never precict my own behavior.  although, my husband, again, says i am totally predicatable.  i have always used the "artist" label to explain being late, forgetful, unpredictable, bad with money, etc... i know those are cliches, but they are me, and i am an artist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think my husband thinks of me as emotionally raw.  he calls it sensitive, with a sneer, i might add.  although i&#8217;ve pretty well erased the sneer from his face!  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m surprised more of us aren&#8217;t unpredictable.  i think i am.  at least, i can never precict my own behavior.  although, my husband, again, says i am totally predicatable.  i have always used the &#8220;artist&#8221; label to explain being late, forgetful, unpredictable, bad with money, etc&#8230; i know those are cliches, but they are me, and i am an artist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: carolee</title>
		<link>http://readwritepoem.org/2008/02/12/poll-dance-are-you-the-temperamental-artist-type/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>carolee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your distinction is important between causality and correlation and i suspect for most of us it's impossible to know which came first the creativity or the intelligence? the creativity or the sensitivity? the chicken or the egg? (this is very off topic, but does anyone think about that one too much like i do? anyway ...)

i very much appreciate your "almost" being in the emotionally raw category and admitting that it's true sometimes for you. where's the rest of my brood? i know you're out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your distinction is important between causality and correlation and i suspect for most of us it&#8217;s impossible to know which came first the creativity or the intelligence? the creativity or the sensitivity? the chicken or the egg? (this is very off topic, but does anyone think about that one too much like i do? anyway &#8230;)</p>
<p>i very much appreciate your &#8220;almost&#8221; being in the emotionally raw category and admitting that it&#8217;s true sometimes for you. where&#8217;s the rest of my brood? i know you&#8217;re out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Blythe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, great poll and discussion.  

I think I may have looked at this a little differently.  I thought about causality rather than correlation, and for me, my intelligence (or lack thereof) and my elitism (or lack thereof) don't cause/are not caused by my creativity.  I think we frequently let some of these correlating attributes work themselves into the identity we claim for ourselves as poets/artists--which is in no way more or less correct, but I like focusing on the "essentials."

Does that make any sense?

And Carolee, at other times in my life (like, two months ago), I probably would have checked overly sensitive/emotionally raw, because when I am emotionally raw, it definitely plays into my creative process.  But it's not a constant for me... so I went with sensitive instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, great poll and discussion.  </p>
<p>I think I may have looked at this a little differently.  I thought about causality rather than correlation, and for me, my intelligence (or lack thereof) and my elitism (or lack thereof) don&#8217;t cause/are not caused by my creativity.  I think we frequently let some of these correlating attributes work themselves into the identity we claim for ourselves as poets/artists&#8211;which is in no way more or less correct, but I like focusing on the &#8220;essentials.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that make any sense?</p>
<p>And Carolee, at other times in my life (like, two months ago), I probably would have checked overly sensitive/emotionally raw, because when I am emotionally raw, it definitely plays into my creative process.  But it&#8217;s not a constant for me&#8230; so I went with sensitive instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this has really gotten me thinking.  My dad was an auto mechanic, the best one in town, actually.  Was he intelligent?  I never thought about it, really.  I just accepted that he was.  Did he think of himself as intelligent?  He was always explaining mechanical things to me so, yeah, I think he did. 

My mom quit school at 16.  I know she never thought of herself as intelligent but she reads one book after another and does the crossword puzzle in the paper every day.  She braided rugs and sewed and refinished furniture and raised her four kids with so much integrity and instilled values in us so I, certainly, think of her as intelligent.

And here I am, a poet, from these two.  I am my mom's poem.  That's how she created.  And my dad's poetry was putting parts of cars together to make them hum.

So, I don't know if I've answered the question, but it clarified things for me, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this has really gotten me thinking.  My dad was an auto mechanic, the best one in town, actually.  Was he intelligent?  I never thought about it, really.  I just accepted that he was.  Did he think of himself as intelligent?  He was always explaining mechanical things to me so, yeah, I think he did. </p>
<p>My mom quit school at 16.  I know she never thought of herself as intelligent but she reads one book after another and does the crossword puzzle in the paper every day.  She braided rugs and sewed and refinished furniture and raised her four kids with so much integrity and instilled values in us so I, certainly, think of her as intelligent.</p>
<p>And here I am, a poet, from these two.  I am my mom&#8217;s poem.  That&#8217;s how she created.  And my dad&#8217;s poetry was putting parts of cars together to make them hum.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve answered the question, but it clarified things for me, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: carolee</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is a loaded question, dave. :) i grew up thinking that smart was smart. so intelligent, scholarly, logical, skilled -- all smart. for me, yes, the mechanic could be described as intelligent, but i do see what you mean about intelligent implying a level of literacy. maybe in my world he composes poetry in his head, memorizes it and delights his wife. 

and then there's "intelligence," and i think of extra terrestrial intelligence (because i'm a strange sort of girl). in that case, i consider "intelligence" to mean a certain level of awareness and understanding that has nothing to do with literacy.

too bad our language weren't more precise. or maybe it is and we're just lazy in our usage.

what i think you're asking is "does being intelligent imply a certain level of elitism?" i don't know. in some cases, definitely, but not all.

but i like thinking about your mechanic because our poll asks us to describe ourselves, not guess how others define us or share how we label others ... so the question is, would the mechanic call himself intelligent and find a connection between how his brain was wired and what skills he developed? that's what we're trying to figure out for ourselves. does creativity pre-dispose us to certain traits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is a loaded question, dave. <img src='http://readwritepoem.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> i grew up thinking that smart was smart. so intelligent, scholarly, logical, skilled &#8212; all smart. for me, yes, the mechanic could be described as intelligent, but i do see what you mean about intelligent implying a level of literacy. maybe in my world he composes poetry in his head, memorizes it and delights his wife. </p>
<p>and then there&#8217;s &#8220;intelligence,&#8221; and i think of extra terrestrial intelligence (because i&#8217;m a strange sort of girl). in that case, i consider &#8220;intelligence&#8221; to mean a certain level of awareness and understanding that has nothing to do with literacy.</p>
<p>too bad our language weren&#8217;t more precise. or maybe it is and we&#8217;re just lazy in our usage.</p>
<p>what i think you&#8217;re asking is &#8220;does being intelligent imply a certain level of elitism?&#8221; i don&#8217;t know. in some cases, definitely, but not all.</p>
<p>but i like thinking about your mechanic because our poll asks us to describe ourselves, not guess how others define us or share how we label others &#8230; so the question is, would the mechanic call himself intelligent and find a connection between how his brain was wired and what skills he developed? that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to figure out for ourselves. does creativity pre-dispose us to certain traits?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just start this thread with a somewhat shallow observation? It seems possibly a bit ironic that while 83% of respondents were willing to describe themselves as intelligent, only 10% were willing to admit to elitism. (And who knows if any in the second category were also in the first.) Regardless of whether it makes any sense from a scientific perspective to try and measure all mental abilities on a single scale, doesn't this cultural construct we call intelligence imply a hierarchy of brain power or book-learning? What does it mean to describe oneself as intelligent? Would we use the same word to describe, for example, an inarticulate, possibly illiterate mechanic who can seemingly repair any machine merely by laying his hands on it? 

I guess that sounds like a really loaded question. But I really am curious about this.

O.K., off to attempt a poem about sacrifice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just start this thread with a somewhat shallow observation? It seems possibly a bit ironic that while 83% of respondents were willing to describe themselves as intelligent, only 10% were willing to admit to elitism. (And who knows if any in the second category were also in the first.) Regardless of whether it makes any sense from a scientific perspective to try and measure all mental abilities on a single scale, doesn&#8217;t this cultural construct we call intelligence imply a hierarchy of brain power or book-learning? What does it mean to describe oneself as intelligent? Would we use the same word to describe, for example, an inarticulate, possibly illiterate mechanic who can seemingly repair any machine merely by laying his hands on it? </p>
<p>I guess that sounds like a really loaded question. But I really am curious about this.</p>
<p>O.K., off to attempt a poem about sacrifice.</p>
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